if you go back to the debt ceiling fight, one of the things that angered the white house was republicans were saying, repeatedly, the president hasn't put forth a plan. wais his plan to cut spending? the answer was, you are just spouting fox talking points. that's when they get mad. when you ask them for substantive commitment on an issue, which is what you have seen the last few weeks. >> we call the democratic party every night. congressman will come on -- congressman van hollen. but what i hear from some when they pull me aside, not those two, but some is that they get into trouble with their leadership if they come on fox. there is peer pressure within the democrats. >> i mean, there is all sorts of enforcement mechanisms for each party. parties have constituencies, democratic party, organized labor, they don't like to cross those constituencies, so they often accuse the other party of being too cowardly. >> i guess i haven't been in the criminal courts where there is a really strong debate -- it's sort of stunning to me that members of a party wouldn't go on ms-nbc or here or cnn. i